========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Wed, 27 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 863 Today's Topics: GEnie uplink is shut down.. internal FAX packages for ST? LDW vs ANALYZE Okimate 20 Printer Forsale ProGem program editors spreadsheets (2 msgs) Unexpandable megas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Dec 89 16:33:52 GMT From: att!drutx!druwy!dlm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Moore) Subject: GEnie uplink is shut down.. Message-ID: <4578@druwy.ATT.COM> [Let me start by saying that while this reads like a flame of Diane, that it isn't. It is a flame against a much larger group, not just one person. Diane's note was just a convienent starting point. --- dlm] in article <966@crash.cts.com>, canada@crash.cts.com (Diane Barlow Close) says: > Next I received some reliable information that Dave was on the > verge of licensing the ``link technology'' to GEnie. If we > didn't act very fast to convince Dave to rethink the link, it > wouldn't matter if *his* atari newsgroup-GEnie link were shut > down, 'cause GEnie would be busy draining (and copyrighting) the > rest of Usenet. (And Dave, Mark Booth did NOT give me this > information, so you can start talking to him again.) Very interesting. I talk to Dave far more than most people and I NEVER heard anything about his "licensing the ``link technology''. I suspect that your "source" wasn't as well informed as he/she thought. > That's not to say I was just in this ``battle'' to raise the cry > and then leave. No sir. I was prepared for the long haul. Dave > actually surprised me when he withdrew the link so suddenly after > only a few days of protest. His first posting led me to believe > that the link would be here for a long time no matter what. Dave withdrew the link since he was SURPRISED that so many people were against it. Especially since he had said he was working on it in the past and no one complained. So he went ahead and set up a simple pass though to GEnie, announces it and suddenly was the target of lots of attacks. Given that why shouldn't he take the easy way out and shutdown? Remember he thought he was doing something people would approve of. And where in the first posting did he say the link was going to stay up no matter what? (I believe you are reading what you want to into his note.) I happen to think that a Usenet to GEnie link, either one or two way is a bad idea. Mainly because of the high S/N ratio on the commercial nets like GEnie (at one time or another I've used all of them). But if such a link goes up I'm not going to worry about it. I'm already on several of the commercial nets, having what I say here also posted there doesn't change things very much. I am very surprised at how many people treated this. People are now using this as a way of bragging that they were ready to fight the battle till the bitter end. And how if it hadn't been for them that Usenet would have been ruined. Almost sounds like they (and there are lots of people in that "they") need the PR in order to join the "net gods". This all could've been handled, politely, with a few email messages to Dave telling him why he was wrong to setup a one way link to GEnie. He does read and answer his mail. (It does take awhile, his mail/news feed adds at least 1 day, and often 2 days, each directtion.) Instead there was a wild attack with no attempt to try milder measures. Oh well, maybe it was just time for a good flame war and Dave was just the easiest target. Dan Moore AT&T Bell Labs Denver dlm@druwy.ATT.COM ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 89 01:27:41 GMT From: limbo!taylor@decwrl.dec.com (Dave Taylor) Subject: internal FAX packages for ST? Message-ID: <260@limbo.Intuitive.Com> I have a friend who is interested in finding out information about boards, software and/or other solutions that will allow FAXes to be sent or received directly from an Atari ST. The particular computer she has is an Atari Mega ST 4 ... Thanks for any information you can forward to me! -- Dave Taylor Intuitive Systems Mountain View, California taylor@limbo.intuitive.com or ?uunet!??decwrl,apple?!limbo!taylor ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 89 06:40:10 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ca esar.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!blake!ramsiri@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) Subject: LDW vs ANALYZE Message-ID: <5164@blake.acs.washington.edu> Can anyone provide pros and cons of LDW and ANALYZE? I bought ANALYZE three years ago when it was $134.00... I started using it this week... saw it in the stores for $34.00. The program can save files in 123 format.. and seems to have a fairly good predefined set of built-in formulas. For my home business puproses, the program is plenty powerful.. my only complaint is the SLOW scroll rate .. OUCH! ... Is this typical of spreadsheets?... is LDW POWER acceptable? I use RANGE NAMEs in ANALYZE to get me to cells rather immediately.. however, it would be nice to be able to scroll 15 cells away and not have enough time to grind coffee or drink another bottle of wine. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 89 20:23:31 GMT From: wpg!russ@uunet.uu.net (Russell Lawrence) Subject: Okimate 20 Printer Forsale Message-ID: <1742@wpg.com> Forsale: Okimate 20 with plug in module for atari st's. -- Packed in original box with manual. -- Like new. Used only to test printer drivers (30 pages max). -- Best reasonable offer. -- Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000 russ@wpg.com uunet!wpg!russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 89 11:45:17 SET From: Gerfried Klein Subject: ProGem Hello folks out in the world | I would be very happy if someone could send me info about the ProGem articles from Antic. How many of them have been brought out ? Where can I get them from ? Thank's and have a wonderful new year. Gerfried Klein (K331672.AEARN.BITNET) (my first attempt to use info-a16) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 89 01:16:42 GMT From: dftsrv!iris613!stailey@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ken Stailey) Subject: program editors Message-ID: <637@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> In article <1989Dec24.150413.28500@cs.dal.ca> bill@biomel.UUCP writes: >In article <=&?QF%@masalla.fulcrum.bt.co.uk> chrisl@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Chris Parkin Lilley) writes: >>In article <25120@cup.portal.com> smolin@cup.portal.com (Steve Jacob Molin) writes: >>>Has anyone done the editor vi on the ST? > >> Yes. It's called Stevie (ST VI?). > ST Editor (for) VI Enthusiasts it started out as a minix program, but it is portable to DOS and other environments. Also a program called "lv" (little vi?) is in the public domain and available from some ftp sites in Michigan. > >-- INET stailey@iris613.gsfc.nasa.gov UUCP ?backbone?!dftsrv!iris613!stailey ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 89 18:25:45 GMT From: mcsun!unido!tub!blnosz!ballier@uunet.uu.net (Ralph Ballier) Subject: spreadsheets Message-ID: <285@blnosz.UUCP> In article <1989Dec24.150008.28420@cs.dal.ca> bill@biomel.UUCP writes: >updates, but I use VIP all the time to handle Lotus files. It's good. What do you mean about "opus" ? This works very well with GDOS-based graphics (and the new version is able to handle Lotus files too (so I have heard)). And "opus" is PD!! raba ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1989 8:32:23 MET From: LarsErikOsterud Subject: spreadsheets Message-ID: If you are looking for a godd spreadsheet for Atari: drop VIP (it's just too slow) and buy LDW Power. It's fast and easy. Lotus compatible (both commands and format) and very powerful. It can use GDOS to make very good printouts of sheet and graphics. Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 89 22:05 EST From: STJLHI33%WATSON.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Subject: Unexpandable megas > Date: 26 Dec 89 08:36:42 GMT > From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mark F. Newton) > Subject: Unexpandable megas > Why do you need megabytes upon megabytes of memory, if you use a > computer in a home environment? Do you really need 93 Terabytes to > do word processing? Gee, I wasn't aware that home use was synonymous with word processing. My 'home computer' does DTP, CAD & half a dozen other fun & serious things. As soon as I can snarf a color monitor you can add image processing and animation to the list. 93 Terabytes doesn't sound too bad. > I have a Mega 4, and for home purposes, it is sufficient. And even > for small business use, 4Mb is certainly enough to drive laser > printers. Nobody said anything about going beyond 4 megs. I'd like to get there in the first place. > Do some people really know how much memory 4Mb is? [stuff deleted] > I mean, 4000kb is not enough? Hmm. Seems to me that not too long ago 1/2 meg was considered 'wopping'. Could it be that in another 4 years even 4 megs will seem small? You betcha. > About not being able to expand the Mega 2, has someone from Atari > responded to my posting about the 2Mb expansion kit from Atari? > To reiterate, I once worked at an Atari dealer, and we had a couple > of these 2Mb expansion boards that plugged into the expansion bus. > Since I had a Mega 4, you couldn't plug it in, but we never sold > one to any Mega 2 owners. With all this talk about more memory, is > this expansion board still available from Atari? 'Someone from Atari' has responded. It seems that the kit isn't made by Atari but a 3rd party. Details anyone? > For home use, and small business use 4Mb is certainly enough. For now perhaps. What happens when huge displays, long animations, digitized sound and multitasking become the norm? > And if you *really* need more capacity, then the TT is for you. > (Although you need to go to Europe to get one) Oh, the old 'buy another computer' upgrade. 8-P Only now we have to go to Europe to get it. I wonder how many Atari owners are that dedicated? Fortunately, I don't think that's the way it's going to turn out (at least I hope not). > Mata ne da-cha, > Shinobu > Sakura-mento, CA > mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo mfolivo@sactoh0 > pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo (they're worth a try...) -------- Jason Steiner STJLHI33@WOOSTER.BITNET | In my opinion my "I stood up on my van, I yelled 'Excuse me, sir! This | opinions are just country ain't got no problems a few plastic explosives | my opinions won't cure!'" - Steve Taylor, i PREDiCT 1990 ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #863 *****************************************