========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Mon, 25 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 858 Today's Topics: Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory (2 msgs) Blitz copy cable and utility FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM Unexpandable megas (3 msgs) USENET -> GEnie uplink now working Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Dec 89 07:18:49 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!beach.cis.ufl.edu!cr 1@think.com (Christopher Roth) Subject: Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory Message-ID: <21568@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> In article <5149@blake.acs.washington.edu> ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) writes: >Anyone know of a reliable desk accessory that >is a simple address/phone book >that does dial-out? > >thanks in advance. > >-kc This is working purely from memory, but I believe there is something called the MOB DIALER or MOBZDIAL that will suit your needs. I think I found it by FTP in wuarchive.wustl.edu. If this doesn't help you, try either looking around a bit or send me mail. Chris -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Christoper Roth * "Machines have no * InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 89 23:20:02 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@apple.com Subject: Address/Phone/Dial-out desk accessory Message-ID: <25340@cup.portal.com> There is an excellent DA called cardfile available on GEnie, and probably other systems including BBSes. It has only one defect which is that it doesn't allow space for the new (long) Zip codes. It has a separate field for first name, last name, middle initial, title, company, address, home phone work phone and a couple of comments fields. It allows for filtering on the basis of any string in any field on the basis of all records that have any of the chosen field strings or those that match all of them. If you don't have access to it, and or others would like it I'll UUENCODE and post it here. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 05:02:35 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: Blitz copy cable and utility Message-ID: <25349@cup.portal.com> Dave Small notes, about the BLITZ cable instructions... >They are available on both the GEnie and CIS networks, and probably >interminable BBS's. They're a bit long to uuencode and post here, though. ... > So, if you know someone on GEnie or CIS ... Or... you can E-Mail me, and I can tell you how to order this month's ARC utility disk from MACE, the Michigan Atari Computer Enthusiasts, which has both the original BLITZ documents including text and DEGAS pic of the cable, and the BLITZ-II (Turbo-BLITZ) software... Or... check your local user group... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 04:47:52 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: FLAMES and SUPPORT IN THE MINUS REALM Message-ID: <25348@cup.portal.com> Dan Scott says: >You call LOGO and ST BASIC *REAL* programming languages? That's not the point... Atari has told us, in so many words, that they KNOW that owners of Atari computers don't want to program them. So why do they hand out programming languages then..? (Why do I keep getting questions in answer to my questions from Atari folks, instead of answers..? Still wondering...) BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 05:53:37 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: Unexpandable megas Message-ID: <25353@cup.portal.com> Sigh... Greg Lindahl says, about Atari forcing customers into deadend machines.. >You are obviously wrong on 2 counts: >1) Then Atari would have not put SIMMs onto the STE Wake up, Greg... Atari made the changes to the Mega ST2, to enforce their policy of non-expandability something like *TWO YEARS* ago.. Putting SIMMs into STEs has nothing to do with a business decision made that long ago (and incidentally won't help Mega owners at all). >Leave your silly conspiracy theories at home. Did I call it a "conspiracy"..? I call it "business"... Atari's way of enforcing their brand of short-term greed on their customer base. Their stated policy on memory upgrading makes it clear why they did it. Again, maybe the use of SIMMs in *new* products heralds a new era in Atari/ customer relations... we'll see... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 05:27:21 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: Unexpandable megas Message-ID: <25352@cup.portal.com> Greg Lindahl says, about Atari's making two different Mega PC boards.. >Maybe it doesn't cost them more? Do you know anything about manufacturing? >I sure don't... About PC board manufacturing..? Yes, I do know about PC board manufacturing. > ... And so I try to avoid showing my ignorance in public by >bashing Atari on topics that I don't know anything about. Oh well, guess we won't be hearing from Greg anymore on this topic.. how about anyone else who's been involved in designing PC boards, or etching them, or the processes of automated drilling and parts insertion.. can anyone think of a reason why it would be more cost effective to take ONE part which serves an identical purpose in TWO products, and redesign it so it only works in one of them, thus requiring TWO separate parts, lower production volumes on each, and separate inventories..? BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 05:17:44 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: Unexpandable megas Message-ID: <25351@cup.portal.com> Sorry, this isn't "pick on Dan Scott" week, really... but... >in article <25126@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com says: > >> Consider that the *cheapest* IBM clone board comes *socketed* for easy mem >> expansion to the maximum RAM the system can utilize... >However, the *cheapest* IBM clone still only knows about 640K of memory >max (8086 based here). Without an *EXPENSIVE* memory board in one of the >card slots and some driver software 640K is all you'll ever get to use. Missed the point again, Dan... The point is, even a $59 IBM clone board can afford to provide you with the sockets to add RAM up to *its* maximum capacity, while Atari Corp is too cheap to install the $1.00 worth of sockets to give Atari owners expandabilit to the maximum RAM capacity of their systems. Maybe that's changing, now that we're seeing the promise of the use of SIMMs for expansion... if it happens, that could be one of the best things Atari has done in five years... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 07:07:28 GMT From: fox!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@apple.com Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working Message-ID: <25355@cup.portal.com> Rob DeMillo mentions: >In addition, there are 10's of 1000's of people who can *not* get access >to USEnet, would you deny them our info/rumors/conversations/etc? In actual fact, I'm accessing UseNet right now through Portal, a *two way* access point into UseNet for anyone who doesn't have access through a University or company. For a *flat rate* fee of $10 a month, plus about $1 an hour for PC Pursuit, I can have two way access to UseNet... So it's not true that GEnie subscribers can't get UseNet info... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 89 09:46:29 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mark F. Newton) Subject: Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie Message-ID: <2327@sactoh0.UUCP> Hmm. Alot of traffic on comp.sys.atari.st screaming, pleading, apologizing, etc, about the posting of Usenet articles on GEnie. From what I have read, a majority of the posters disliked the idea very strongly, that Usenet messages appear on a pay service, that is, a one-way link- Usenet on GEnie, but nothing from GEnie to Usenet. I understand that someone in rec.arts.anime compiles messages (edited? unknown.) and uploads it to CompuServe's Japanimation forum's downloads section, as "Usenet Digests". Now, as I understand it, noone there has said anything about it. So the users in r.a.a. apparently does't mind that their messages have to be "paid for" and downloaded from CIS. When I was on CIS, I used to see the files, but due to the size of them (usually around 32k) I never dloaded them. (read: $$$) But when I found out there was a local public access to Usenet, I switched and use this system exclusively. Now the users in r.a.a. apparently feel that the availability of anime information should be passed around, and it is my impression that c.s.a.st users do not want Usenet appearing on any pay service. Oyasuminasai da-cha, Shinobu -- Sakura-mento, CA mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo mfolivo@sactoh0 pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo (they're worth a try...) ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #858 *****************************************