========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Tue, 5 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 757 Today's Topics: 3dbin/Matricks Doc ATARI 1040ST FOR SALE Form Doc's GNU C Floating Point Math Help with Uniterm 2.0e LaserPrinters and the ST (2 msgs) Monochrome Monitor Wanted Shareware MAC Still searching... TDI Modula-2 Missing Pages Ultrascript experience ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 89 23:27:13 GMT From: skiff.cis.ohio-state.edu!thamer@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mustafa Thamer) Subject: 3dbin/Matricks Doc Message-ID: <74725@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> I downloaded the 3dbin archive from the graphics directory at panarthea, and it's just what I'm looking for. Although it comes with some basic documentation, the author said he would post the complete atari-specific doc in comp.sources.misc. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find it. I did find another archive called matricks, (which is supposed to be the name of the 3dbin Doc also), but this is a different program. Anyone been able to find this anywhere, if not, maybe I'll try to track down the author? By the way (on a side note), how do KILL files work? Some of these groups get so big ?100 messages a day. Will this automatically do some pre-processing/screening for me? Thanks ... Mustafa Thamer -=- "Two days ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that tanker. You wanna get out of here; you talk to me." ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 17:11:18 GMT From: hpda!hpcuhb!hp-ses!hpdml93!opto@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lloyd Broadbent) Subject: ATARI 1040ST FOR SALE Message-ID: <15480003@hpdml93.HP.COM> I am selling my second Atari computer system. The color monitor is one year old and has had little use. HARDWARE: 1040STfm without RF modulator, TOS 1.0 1 Meg DS/DD 720K drive Mouse Original box and manuals Atari SC1224 Color Monitor Original box and manuals SOFTWARE: Atari ST ST language disc Games Empire F-15 Strike Eagle Applications Free promotional copy WordPerfect version 4.1 TERMS: $625 For all. I will ship the items UPS insured anywhere that you specify in the continental US. email: opto@hpdmmbe.HP.COM phone: (208) 323-3376 (days) (208) 345-9266 (nights) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 23:30:57 GMT From: tahoe!wheeler!mikew@apple.com (Mike Whitbeck) Subject: Form Doc's Message-ID: <3252@tahoe.unr.edu> In article <473eecf4.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) writes: |In article <5120.257a7166@elroy.uh.edu|, richard@elroy.uh.edu writes: || In article <89338.035427JJL101@PSUVM.BITNET|, J.J. Lehett I just downloaded the copy of GNU C from terminator, oh, two weeks ago, the same time I downloaded the pml package. Maybe I should try drgsun. At any rate Megamax C blew GNU C away in speed and executable size (GNU C took twice as long, and the executables were around twice as large). The only problem with it is that it doesn't have stdlib functions, although without those I can still improvise. Eric ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 20:03:47 GMT From: cica!ctrsol!samsung!aplcen!jhunix!esp_05@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Stdnt 05) Subject: Help with Uniterm 2.0e Message-ID: <3525@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> When Uniterm 2.0e refuses to dial a second number after the first one does (or doesn't) work, I just use the reset function from the pop-up menu, and all becomes well. Eric ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 21:00:04 GMT From: tramp!millert@boulder.colorado.edu (MILLER TODD C) Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST Message-ID: <14582@boulder.Colorado.EDU> In reference to Adobe putting PostScript in the Public Domain. Yes! Amazing asit sounds Adobe has anounced that PS will be made PD in early 1990 (it may have been by the end of the first quarter but I can't remember). The PD Postscript will be able to use Type 1 fonts (something PS emulators can't do) and I believeAdobe will be giving out info on how the Type 1 fonts are created (don't quote me on that). For more info check out the December Computer Shopper. Hope this clears up the confusion. -Todd |------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Todd Miller - millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | | CU rules! Buffs #1 See ya on New Year's Day in Miami - Orange Bowl!!! | |------------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 21:57:45 GMT From: tramp!millert@boulder.colorado.edu (MILLER TODD C) Subject: LaserPrinters and the ST Message-ID: <14586@boulder.Colorado.EDU> In reference to Adobe putting PostScript in the Public Domain. Yes! Amazing asit sounds Adobe has anounced that PS will be made PD in early 1990 (it may have been by the end of the first quarter but I can't remember). The PD Postscript will be able to use Type 1 fonts (something PS emulators can't do) and I believeAdobe will be giving out info on how the Type 1 fonts are created (don't quote me on that). For more info check out the December Computer Shopper. Hope this clears up the confusion. -Todd |------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Todd Miller - millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | | CU rules! Buffs #1 See ya on New Year's Day in Miami - Orange Bowl!!! | |------------------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 22:49:15 GMT From: mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!psurge@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Troy Carpenter) Subject: Monochrome Monitor Wanted Message-ID: <7305@cs.utexas.edu> Does anyone out there in NETLAND have a monochrome monitor that they want to sell? I have some applications that use Monochrome mode, and the emulators just won't work too well. Thanks in advance, please send me email and I will get back to you. Troy Carpenter Computer Sciences The University of Texas, Austin psurge@cs.utexas.edu Troy Carpenter Computer Sciences THE University of Texas, Austin psurge@cs.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 07:10:06 GMT From: thelake!steve@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Shareware MAC Message-ID: <1105890110063264@thelake.UUCP> In article <3395@brazos.Rice.edu>, bro@titan.rice.edu (Douglas Monk) writes ... > >The suggestion was made that instead of using a cartridge, code that works >like the MAC ROMs but doesn't violate Apple's copyright could be used. This >is a great idea. No one has done it yet, which is one of the reasons why no >Apple clones (other than STs :-) exist yet. > >It is a technical difficulty, or a legal one? How does Phoenix et al. get >away with IBM clone ROMs? Licensing? Work-alike? > Work-alike. But there is a big difference between PC-clone ROMs and Macintosh ROMs. The PC-clone ROM is quite tiny, just a BIOS (Basic Input-Output System) that allows the rest of MS-DOS to function. Macintosh ROMs provide a much richer foundation for the portion of the Mac OS that comes on disk. Recreating the functionality of the Mac ROMs would be quite a technical achievement. If anyone solves the technical difficulty, though, they had better be prepared for an ugly legal fight. Apple already has sued Digital Research over GEM and Microsoft over Windows, and they're not even Mac-compatible. -- Steve Yelvington at the (almost frozen enough to skate) lake in Minnesota UUCP: ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 17:50:12 GMT From: att!dptg!lzaz!bds@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Buce Szablak) Subject: Still searching... Message-ID: <874@lzaz.ATT.COM> In article <1854@atari.UUCP>, kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes: > I seriously doubt that the _majority_ of people who buy Atari > computers, or any other computers for that matter, have the slightest > desire to program their machines... While a "_majority_" of ST owners may not want to program their ST, every ST owner I know of does at least some hacking. > It is important to make sure that professional programmers know how to > program the computers, not end users. Sorry, you are way off base here. Most PD software comes from end-users who in reality are "professional programmers" who don't wish/expect to make a dime off of their efforts. BESIDES, aren't I (an end-user who uses his ST to write programs for enjoyment) a valued customer???? Aren't my CUSTOMER needs important??? Your attitude really bothers me. (Someone posted the suggestion that Atari follow Next's example when they introduce the TT, and package GCC and utilities with each machine; that would be a SMART move. I won't hold my breath...) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 18:30:43 GMT From: hp-pcd!hpmcaa!patrick@hplabs.hp.com (Patrick Hawke) Subject: TDI Modula-2 Missing Pages Message-ID: <760013@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> When I purchased TDI Modula-2 my manual was missing pages 127-140. I called the number in the front of the manual and it was disconnected. TDI must be out of business? Would somebody who has TDI Modula-2 be kind enough to copy the pages for a few bucks? I'm missing the Definition Modules for Storage,System, and Mathlib on the pages above. Please Reply to: patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com Thank You !!! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 89 20:16:42 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!hrc!force!covertr@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard E. Covert) Subject: Ultrascript experience Message-ID: <473fe9f1.14a1f@force.UUCP> In article <2389@hudson.acc.virginia.edu>, gl8f@bessel.acc.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes: > In article <473a552d.14a1f@force.UUCP> covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) writes: > > >All in all, the extra bucks that I am paying for the Panasonic laser printer > >are well worth it to me. And I am getting a FASTER printer (11 ppm vs 8ppm of > >the SLM804). > > You know, Richard, you don't listen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Let's just get nasty here!! :-) OK Greg, in one of my last messages I *SAID* that for strictly ST work the SLM804 is faster than any other printer. That is because of the DMA port of course. I will give you that. OK? No more arguments? > > I posted an article explaining WHY the SLM804 is sometimes faster than > other laser printers, even with faster print engines, in certain > situations. Several people posted articles saying, yes, in real life, > they have seen this. > > I can assure you that, running Ultrascript, the SLM804 will beat the pants > of your Panasonic laser printer printing, for example, full page bitmaps. > > Why don't you benchmark it in various situations before you shoot your > mouth off? Why can't you include a little disclaimer, "Well, there are Nasty temper you have there Greg! :-) > situations where the SLM804 is a lot faster than the Panasonic." Yes, > the Panasonic may be the best printer for you, but not necessarily for > everyone else. They might be very surprised to plug it in and find > that it doesn't print 11 pages per minute, every minute. > > Your attitude is entirely non-professional. I hope you grow out of > your childish Atari-bashing phase. Real nasty mouth there!! :-) > Greg Lindahl Greg, I have said before that the MAJOR reason that I sold my SLM804 and bought a Panasonic KX-P4450 is that I wanted a laser printer that I could use with Spectre and pc dittoII at a full 300 dpi. The SLM804 can not print at 300 dpi with the Spectre now(disclaimer: Without UltraScript that it is), and can't even be used at at with pc ditto. Greg, I bought my Panasonic because, given that I wanted a laser printer that emaulates a Laser Jet, the Panasonic KX-P4450 is the fastest laser printer for under $2,000.00. It is faster than the Packard-Bell (which sells for about $1200 with 1 meg, a real bargain), the HP Laser Jet IIP (which sells for about $995 with 1/2 meg), the HP Laser Jet II (which sells for about $1700 with 1/2 meg) or the Epson or the Brother or the Canon. OK? I don't need to benchmark the SLM804 against these other laser printers, because they ALL will be slower than the SLM804 for ST work. I agree with that. But, the Panasonic KX-P4450 will be faster than the HP Laser Jet IIp,II, the Brother, the Canon, the Packard-Bell, or any other laser printer for under $2,000. I am *NOT* bashing Atari for the SLM804. It is a wonderful, though limited, printer. It just doesn't do what I wanted a laser printer to do. So, I am better off selling it than griping about its defiences. Agreed? A friend of mine, Ralph Mariano, sells the Panasonic KX-P4450 printer and has used one with his Mega ST4 for 6 months. Ralph finally got an Atari SLM804 and it does run faster than the KX-P4450 for ST work. So, I agree with that. But, alot of people are buying Spectres and pc dittos and pc dittoIIs and pc speed. And those folks will find the SLM804 lacking. I had my SLM804 for 20 months and never could fully utilize it under Spectre or pc ditto. I don't expect Atari to address this anytime soon. Did you know that *ALL* SLM804 emulators run in RAM that is overwritten by the MAC OS when running Spectre?? And by MSDOS when running pc ditto. So, even if Atari came out with a working Epson emulator for the SLM, it wouldn't run under Spectre or pc ditto without help from Dave Small or Bill Teal. And Atari has never even spoken about a Laser Jet emulator for the SLM. I wonder why? So, in order for me to use the SLM804 it would have needed an Epson emulator, and a Laser Jet emulator, but they would have had to be run in meory so that MAC and MSDOS could use them. Which is *NOT* very likely. I refuse to defend my position anymore. I am happy with my choice to sell the SLM804. I will NOT say bad things about it in the future. I will learn to live with my SLOW ( :-)) Panasonic KX-P4450 laser printer. You, of course, must decide how you want to use a laser printer. If it is for strictly ST work than by all means buy the SLM804. But if you want to use it for Mac or MSDOS work, than consider another printer. OK? Finally, did you know that there are PostScript clones out for both Mac and MSDOS. I was just at Egghead Software+ and saw an IBM PS clone from an outfit called LaserGo. It has PS plus 13 fonts. Also, there is Adobe Type Manager for the Mac, with the same PS clone and 13 fonts. Hey, guess what? Never supports the Atari laser printer. But both support the Panasonic KX-P4450. So, I don't have to use UltraScript to get PS for my Panasonic when using Mac or MSDOS programs. But the SLM804 eliminated this option from either MAC OR MSDOS. So, unless Atari releases a laser printer with a cpu, internal memory, and builtin printer emulators, I am not interested in Atari laser printers. And than the Atari lp had better be cheaper than a HP or a Panasonic to compete. -- Richard E. Covert (covertr@gtephx) (602) - 581-4652 | AG Communications Systems, Phoenix AZ | UUCP: ?ncar!noao!asuvax | uunet!zardoz!hrc | att?!gtephx!covertr ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #757 *****************************************